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Reject of the Outcasts
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Jun 08 2008, 12:35 am - By Mercenary


Someone posted the following:

Chances of finding a domme in the fetish is scene is highly unlikely. The inverted male
supremacy paradigm shift is too engrained, which largely explains why one has to pay for seeing F/m sessions as it's not accepted in the fetish scene by virtue that prodomming is founded on the lack of acceptance of F/m in the kink world. Therefore, this also explains why chances of a prodomme finding a male sub partner for a relationship is extremely unlikely.

You may find that outside of the fetish scene F/m
is actually more liberated than whithin it so that might be worth
bearing in mind.

 I reworded the sentences here and there so you won't be able to find the source so easily on google. Not sure if it'll work. Either way, what are your thoughts? 

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Jun 08 2008, 12:45 am - Replied by: cs_wench


I think it is not so much the paradym shift as it is that there are so many male subs in comparison to Dominant Ladies that a great number of male subs just give up hope of finding a Domme thus leaving them no place else to go but to a pro Domme. The pro Domme has a hard time finding a mate in the scene because She is looked upon as a Pro and not one seeking a relationship.
Jun 08 2008, 12:54 am - Replied by: sissymelissa


Well i have to agree with wench that the ratio of male subs to female Dommes is so far greater  that males tend to go to the prodomme who they reallly are not expecting to form a relationship with becusae they are prodommes. The proDomme im most minds are not seeking a relationship
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Jun 08 2008, 6:59 am - Replied by: sorrysub


I'm a money slave and, at least on the 'Net, there are PLENTY of money dommes. I think of finding a R/T pain domme, but haven't made any moves, yet.


 

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Jun 09 2008, 4:38 am - Replied by: young_submission


As far as i've read, pro Domme's usually don't use their job to pick up submissives. It's just a service They provide. It's no different to being a plumber, electrician etc. Can you imagine if a pro Domme was using their job as a means of finding a life time partner? imo, emotions get in the way from both parties.

Yes, i firmly believe there are more Domme's than male submissive's which is unfortunate (i think alt.com did some kind of survey and found it was 1 Domme to every 4 male subs). However, knowing this reality should really prepare a sub for disappoint or happiness. If they're visiting a pro Domme in hope to receive that meaningful relationship that they desire so much, perhaps they're living in denial and refusing to accept the reality.

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Jun 09 2008, 5:50 pm - Replied by: peajayess


At least here in Oregon, the ratio of submissive men to dominant women is VERY different in the real life kink community than what is seen online.  Perhaps not 1:1, but close.

 

Online, of course, the ratio is probably more like 10:1, perhaps much more?  There are 2 simple truths behind the extremely lopsided ratio.

 

1: Many, many people only wish to explore their kinky desires from the safety and annonymity of their computers.  They may believe they someday intend to go "real time", but the reality is they never actually go to munches and BDSM events which are usually very accessible.

 

2: Online-only domination can be fulfilling for submissives, but very few dominant women find it so.  I have talked (in person) with several who have tried and they all consider it an incredible waste of time.  Of course, the exception is when they're getting paid.  Even  then, "financial" dommes regularly write about how incredibly time consuming and frustrating it is.  If women who get paid for those steamy chat/cam sessions get frustrated, imagine how little incentive other dominant women have!

 

Professional Dominas (who do live sessions) are often offered as proof that there exists so many submissive men and so few dominant women that, logically, by simple economics of a shortage of supply and abundance of demand.  That is true, but the abundant demand is for discrete, in-private sessions that are kept secret (usually from their wives), and the commidity in short supply is women willing to do so.  Virtually all dominant women I know in the scene (and there are many) would never play with someone who is cheating on his wife, especially not in a private, discrete setting.

 

My point of this post is that there are indeed many dominant women out there.  If you've spent a lot of time on kink websites, you may be in total disbelief this could ever be possible.  To that I would say "find and join your local kink community".  Not only seeking a domme rather than being social and trying to make friends - that "I only want to find a lover and don't care about being your friend" approach is commonly tried and everyone sees right through it - but really get out in the community and make friends and build trust as people start opening up to you.  Perhaps Oregon is unique, but I doubt it.  I'm sure, in time, you'll find there are indeed many dominant women out there.  Also, over time, going to munches and workshops and events and play parties, you'll learn a lot and gain experience and develop a good reputation - all things most dominant women in the scene will appreciate.

 

I should also mention, single dominant women I know all say the same thing about dating.  They find it very difficult to find real, serious submissive men.  How could that be, if the ratios are 10:1 or more?  I've heard story after story of an arranged meeting at a coffee shop or restaurant, and the guy got nervous and stood her up.  Apparently it's easy to attract hoards of subs who will "worship" online, but won't ever meet in person, even when they commit to meeting at a particular time and place.  Perhaps some dominant women would care to comment on that?  However, I wouldn't be surprised if none do - the several I invited to this site (who actually checked it out and created accounts) left long ago, with more stories pretty much like I've described here when I asked them in person.

 

(edited to fix formatting and typos) 

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Jun 10 2008, 11:50 am - Replied by: undernoillusion


the above is one of the best repsonses to the question i have seen..but i have to ask the question...does it typecast the outcasts?
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Jun 10 2008, 12:33 pm - Replied by: peajayess


What is meant by "typecast the outcasts"?
Kinky boy
Jun 10 2008, 7:57 pm - Replied by: little_sub_boy



Quote:
single dominant women I know all say the same thing about dating.  They find it very difficult to find real, serious submissive men.  How could that be, if the ratios are 10:1 or more?  I've heard story after story of an arranged meeting at a coffee shop or restaurant, and the guy got nervous and stood her up.  Apparently it's easy to attract hoards of subs who will "worship" online, but won't ever meet in person, even when they commit to meeting at a particular time and place.  Perhaps some dominant women would care to comment on that?  However, I wouldn't be surprised if none do - the several I invited to this site (who actually checked it out and created accounts) left long ago, with more stories pretty much like I've described here when I asked them in person

 

And as a submissive male who has attempted to meet FemDommes in my community, there is often a double standard.  Sub males get picked out for our broken dates, and criticized for being more interested in the anonymity of cyberspace than the intimacy of real life connection. And yet, i was stood up by a Domme for our date. We were to meet for lunch, with possibly a shopping trip afterwards, and she never met me.  She then deleted her profile from the site where i had met her, and it wasn't until months later, she told me that she decided not to pursue anything because it was apparant that i wanted a full-time relationship and she only wanted a part-time play partner.  

Well call me a prude, but i just have a hard time playing with someone if i have no sense of an emotional connection/intimacy with them. But i guess as a male, i might be in the minority.  It's partially why i have never visited a ProDomme, although i do understand that the emotional connection evolves over time. i just can't see paying as a prerequisite.  Just my 2 cents worth.

Jun 10 2008, 8:14 pm - Replied by: Mercenary


Time = money. Prodomming I think can be a respectable profession, as long as it's done correctly/professionally, just like any other job.

I think people who don't want to pay often overlook how time consuming prodomming (especially) online is. While prodommes could get a job at MickeyD's, it's still their time a sub is using, largely for the sub's sole enjoyment. A prodomme may find secondary pleasures such as financial gains are some amusement, it is her duty to make sure the sub is safe and satisfied, no?

Of course we get the gray area of prodommes who also want to seek a relationship with someone in their career field, and I think that's where a lot of people feel confused and snubbed in. It's not fair to ask the prodommed to go vanilla in her dating circles just to keep business and personal life separate. Prodommes are people too, but she may feelshe is overstepping her professional bounds if she develops feelings for someone who is a paying client. Oh, the plot thickens and turns.

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Jun 11 2008, 5:07 am - Replied by: young_submission


little_sub_boy - i know exactly how you feel mate but i think it would be more relative to another forum thread. This isn't just restricted to BDSM. Anyone who meets someone they met online is bound to get nervous. Perhaps too many emotions are involved...


Mercenary - ProDomming can be a respectable profession and i think it is because down here in Melbourne, i'm pretty sure you can do an apprenticeship as a Domme =) But it's not easy to get into apparently. No doubt ProDomming (online) is time consuming but if that's a primary source of income then i wouldn't be feeling very secure financially. ProDomming (R/L), i can understand the more expensive price as what They're doing is potentially dangerous if They get a dodgy client and also, like You mentioned it is Her duty to make sure the sub is safe and satisfied which means a lot of responsibility on Her shoulders. 

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